Showing posts with label Lord Ram. Show all posts
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Tuesday, 5 October 2010

Eminent historian displeased with the Ayodhya verdict

After the Court judgment. the Sickulars start cribbing. If the judgment had been anti Hindu, we would be listening to crap about rule of law and similar SHITE.


Romilla Thapar - so called "Eminent Historian" - whose crappy History our children read, does not believe the archeological evidence.

Koenraad Elst's note on the same.

Eminent historian displeased with the Ayodhya verdict
Romila Tha par, most eminent among India's eminent historians, protests against the Court verdict acknowledging the historical evidence that the Babar mosque in Ayodhya had been built in forcible replacement of a Rama temple.

After two decades of living on top of the world, the eminent historians are brought down to earth.
In 1858, the Virgin Mary appeared to young Bernadette Soubirous in Lourdes, France.

Before long, Lourdes became the most important pilgrimage site for Roman Catholics and other Mary worshippers. France prided itself on being a secular state, in some phases (esp. 1905-40) even aggressively secular, yet it acknowledged and protected Lourdes as a place of pilgrimage. Not many French officials actually believe in the apparition, but that is not the point. The believers are human beings, fellow citizens, and out of respect for them does the state respect and protect their pilgrimage.

For essentially the same reason, viz. the mere fact that the Ayodhya site is
well-established as a sacred site for Hindu pilgrimage, is reason enough to protect its functioning as a Hindu sacred site, complete with proper Hindu temple architecture. Ayodhya doesn’t have this status in any other religion (though Buddhism in the Jataka story cycle accepts Rama as an earlier incarnation of the Buddha), most certainly not in Islam.

So, the sensible and secular thing to do, even for those sceptical of every religious belief involved, is to leave the site to the Hindus. It helps to know, but is not strictly of any importance in the present, that Hindus kept going there even when a mosque stood there, even under Muslim rule. It is sufficient that the site has this sacred status today.

Secular PM Rajiv Gandhi had understood this, and from the court-ordered opening of the locks on the mosque-used-as-temple in 1986, he was manoeuvring towards an arrangement leaving the contentious site to the Hindus in exchange for some other goodies (starting with the ShahBano amendment and the Satanic Verses ban) for the Muslim leadership. Call it Congress culture or horse-trading, but it would have been practical and saved everyone a lot of trouble.

That is when a group of "eminent historians" started raising the stakes and turning this local communal deal into a clash of civilizations, a life-and-death matter on which the survival of the greatest treasure in the universe depended, viz. secularism. Secure in their hegemonic position, they didn't limit themselves to denying to the Hindus the right of rebuilding their demolished temple (say, "a medieval demolition doesn't justify a counter-demolition today"), but went so far as to deny the well-established fact that the mosque had been built in forcible replacement of a Rama temple.

Though intimidated, the political class didn't give in altogether but subtly pursued its plans. In late 1990, Chandra Shekhar's minority govenrment, supported and largely teleguided by opposition leader Rajiv Gandhi, invited the Vishva Hindu Parishad and the Babri Masjid Action Committe to mandate some selected scholars for a discussion of the historical evidence.
The politicians had clearly expected that the debate would bring out the evidence and silence the deniers for good. And that is what happened, or at least the first half. Decisive evidence was indeed presented, but it failed to discourage the deniers.

The VHP-employed team presented the already known documentary and archaeological evidence and dug up quite a few new documents confirming the temple demolition (including four that Muslim institutions had tried to conceal or tamper with).

The BMAC-employed team quit the discussions but brought out a booklet later, trumpeted as the final deathblow of the temple demolition “myth”. In fact, it turned out to be limited to an attempt at whittling down the evidential impact of a selected few of the pro-temple documents and holding forth on generalities of politicized history without proving how any of that could neutralize this particular evidence.

It contained not a single (even attempted) reference to a piece of actual evidence proving an alternative scenario or positively refuting the established scenario. I have given a full account earlier in my book Ayodhya, the Case against the Temple (2002): http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/acat/index.htm

As for the second half, that didn't work out as hoped for. No amount of evidence could silence the deniers. Though defeated on contents, the "eminent historians" became only more insistent in denying the evidence. They especially excelled in
blackening and slandering those few scholars who publicly stood by the evidence, not even sparing the towering archaeologist BB Lal.

Overnight, what had been the consensus in Muslim, Hindu and European sources, was turned into a "claim" by "Hindu extremists". They managed to intimidate a Dutch scholar who had earlier contributed even more elements to the already large pile of pro-temple evidence into backtracking. Most spectacularly, they managed to get the entire international media and the vast majority of India-related academics who ever voiced an opinion on the matter, into toeing their line.

These dimly-informed India-watchers too started intoning the no-temple mantra and slandering the dissidents, to their faces or behind their backs, as "liars", "BJP prostitutes", and what not.

Even in the world-renowned RISA collective, dozens chose to toe this party-line of disregarding the evidence and denying the obvious, viz. that the Babri Masjid (along with the Kaaba, the Mezquita, the Ummayad mosque, the Aya Sophia, the Quwwatu'l-Islam etc.) was one of the numerous ancient mosques built on, or with materials from, purposely desecrated or demolished non-Muslim places of worship.

Until the demolition by Hindu activists on 6 December 1992, Congress PM Narasimha Rao was clearly pursuing the same plan of a bloodless hand-over of the site to the Hindus in exchange for some concessions to the Muslims.
The activists who performed the demolition were angry with their own leaders for seemingly abandoning the Ayodhya campaign after winning the 1991 elections with it, but perhaps the Hindutva leaders had secretly been in touch with the PM or at any rate adjusted their policy to their inside perception of a deal planned by him.

After the demolition, Rao milked it for its anti-BJP nuisance value and gave out some pro-mosque signals; but a closer look at his actual policies shows that he stayed on course. His Government requested the Supreme Court to offer an opinion on the historical background of the Ayodhya dispute, knowing fully well from the outcome of the scholars’ debate that an informed opinion could only favour the Hindu claim.

In normal circumstances, it is not a court's business to pronounce on matters of history, but then whom else could you trust to give a fair opinion when the professional historians were being so brazenly partisan?

The Supreme Court sent the matter on, or back, to the Allahabad High Court, which at long last got serious about finding out the true story. It ordered a ground-penetrating radar search and the most thorough excavations. In this effort, carried out in 2003, the ASI employed a large number of Muslims in order to preempt the predictable allegation of being a Hindutva outfit.

The findings confirmed those of the excavations in the 1950s, 1970s and 1992: a very large Hindu religious building stood at the site before the Babri Masjid. The Allahabad High Court has now accepted these findings by India's apex archaeological body. But not everyone is willing to accept this.

In particular, the eminent historians are up in arms. In a guest column in The Hindu (2 Oct. 2010: “The verdict on Ayodhya, a historian’s opinion”, http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article807232.ece ), Prof. Romila Thapar claims that the ASI findings had been "disputed".

Oh well, it is true that some of her school had thought up the most hilariously contrived objections, which I held against the light in my booklet Ayodhya, the Finale: Science vs. Secularism in the Excavations Debate, http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/finale/index.html .

Thus, it was said that the presence of pillar-bases doesn’t imply that pillars were built on it, or that the findings of some animal bones in one layer precludes the existence of a temple, and more such hare-brained reasoning.

The emerging picture was clear enough: there is no such thing as a refutation of the overwhelming ASI evidence, just as there is no refutation of the archaeological and documentary evidence presented earlier.

Today, I feel sorry for the eminent historians. They have identified very publicly with the denial of the Ayodhya evidence. While politically expedient, and while going unchallenged in the academically most consequential forums for twenty years, that position has now been officially declared false. It suddenly dawns on them that they have tied their names to an enterprise unlikely to earn them glory in the long run.

We may expect frantic attempts to intimidate the Supreme Court into annulling the Allahabad verdict, and possibly it will succeed. But it is unlikely that future generations, unburdened with the presently prevailing power equation that made this history denial profitable, will play along and keep on disregarding the massive body of historical evidence.

With the Ayodhya verdict, the eminent historians are catching a glimpse of what they will look like when they stand before Allah’s throne on Judgment Day.

विनय ना मानत जलधि जड़


विनय ना मानत जलधि जड़,
गए तीन दिन बीती,

बोले राम सकोप तब,
भय बिन होई ना प्रीती

When the stupid ocean did not respond
even after three days of Lord Ram's requests,
Shree Ram got angry and said,
"There is no Love without Fear"

एक छोटे से प्रश्न का जवाब

अयोध्या में राम जन्म स्थान पर मंदिर बनाये जाने के विरोधियों इस तरह के जुमले कसकर अयोध्या में राम जन्मस्थान पर मंदिर बनाये जाने का विरोध कर रहे हैं, उन्हैं भी एक छोटे से प्रश्न का जवाब देना ही चाहिये कि बिना स्वाभिमान और आत्मगौरव जागृति के यह आर्थिक तरक्की कितने दिन टिक पायेगी ?

क्या हम ऐसा भारत चाहते हैं जो आक्रांताओं के स्मारकों को संरक्षण प्रदान करे और भारत को स्वतंत्र देखने की चाह में हंसते हंसते फांसी पर झूल जाने वाले भगतसिंह को आतंकवादी कहे।

जो लोग अयोध्या में राम मंदिर के निर्माण का विरोध कर रहे हैं, उन्हैं इस बात को तो समझना ही होगा कि भारत में राम के लिए मंदिर बनाने वाले लोगों और जगहों की कोई कमी नहीं है, लेकिन यह बात देश की रीति नीति और अंतरात्मा की है।

प्रश्न यह भी है कि हम हमारी संस्कृति, सभ्यता और विरासत को नष्ट करने वाले हमलावरों को नकारने की हिम्मत रखते हैं या नहीं ?

क्यों नहीं सारे राजनेता मिलकर इस सच्चाई को सामने रखते कि मात्र 300 मुगलों ने तोप और गाय को आगे रखकर भारत की साँस्कृतिक चेतना को कुचलने का अपराध किया था, आज जो पाकिस्तान और बंगलादेश सहित भारत में मुस्लिम दिखाई पड़ते हैं वे इन हमलावरों के आने से पहले इसी आर्यावर्त की महान संतानों के वंशज हैं।

क्यों नहीं पूरे देश को यह बताया जाता कि जब जिन्ना के सामने घुटने टेकते हुए हमने भारत के विभाजन को स्वीकार किया था और मुस्लिमों के लिए पाकिस्तान का गठन किया था, तो भारत में रहने वाले मुस्लिमों ने पंडों, भाटों, रावों और अन्य वंशलेखकों के पास जाकर अपनी जडें खोजने और अपने गौत्र निकालने के प्रयास शुरू कर दिये थे।

आखिर पूरे देश को यह क्यों नहीं बताया जाता कि भारत में उस समय रहने वाला एक एक मुसलमान चीख चीख कर कह रहा था कि हम हिन्दुओं की संतान हैं और हमारी उपासना पद्धति इस्लामिक है।

पूरे विश्व में भारत ही तो है जो सभी उपासना पद्धतियों को फलने फूलने का अवसर प्रदान करता है।

जहां शैव, शाक्त, जैन, बुद्ध, सिख, पारसी समुदाय के लोग अपनी विभिन्न उपासना पद्धतियों के साथ इस देश में स्वाभिमान के साथ रह सकते हैं तो फिर वे कौन लोग थे जिन्होंने इस उपासना पद्धति को मजहब में बदलने का अपराध किया ?

आखिर देश को यह जानने का अधिकार तो है कि 1947 में मृत हो चुकी मुस्लिम लीग इस देश में किन राजनेताओं की सत्ता पिपासा के कारण पुन: उठ खड़ी हुई ?

क्या भारत में उन हमलावरों के नाम पर दिल्ली में बड़ी बड़ी सड़के नहीं हैं ?

भारत में जिलों के नाम उन पर नहीं हैं ?

उन हमलावरों की बर्बरता का सजीव चित्रण करती हुई मस्जिदें भारत की सांझी विरासत कैसे हो सकती हैं ?

प्रश्न यह है क्या कोई शासक अपनी ही प्रजा पर इस तरह के जुल्म करता है?

इस तरह के जुल्म तो हमलावर शासक करते हैं, जिनकी इच्छा होती है कि आम जनता उनकी बर्बता से घबराकर उनकी शरणागति स्वीकार कर ले और अपनी जान बचाने के लिए उन्हीं के पंथ और मजहब को स्वीकार कर ले।

तो क्या यह माना जाए कि आजाद भारत की सरकारें अपनी संतानों को यह बताना चाहती हैं कि जिन हमलावरों ने हमारी अस्मिता के साथ खिलवाड़ किया, हमारे पूर्वजों को लूटा, उनकी हत्याएं कर दीं, हम उन हमलावरों को हमारी विरासत के नाम पर उदारमना होकर स्वीकार करें।

हमारी संताने उन हमलावरों को कैसे संरक्षण दे सकती हैं ?

राजनेताओं की जरूरत वोट है, और उसके लिए वे किसी भी हद तक जा सकते हैं, हमलावरों को पूज भी सकते हैं।

लेकिन यह तय भारत की जनता को करना है कि वह इन हमलावरों को अपनी ‘विरासत’ माने या नहीं।

बात सिर्फ अयोध्या में राम मंदिर बनाने की जिद की नहीं है, बात यह है कि हम आजादी के बाद से लेकर आज तक अपने देश की दशा और दिशा तय नहीं कर पाये।

तो जो काम हमारे राजनेता नहीं कर पाये उसे ‘रामजी’ को ही पूरा करना पडेगा।

सौजन्य से : मित्र कुशल सचेती

जय श्री राम

Thursday, 30 September 2010

The High Court's judgement regarding Ayodhya ji

The Court's verdict in the Ayodhya is an opportunity for the Muslims and Professional Hindu Haters (Leftists / Liberals / Secular / Congress etc.) to create an environment of respect and reconciliation towards the Hindu community.

That there was a temple that Babar destroyed is proven beyond doubt. So why not say that entire India will join hands in creating a भव्य temple of Lord Ram.

Why this insistence on having a Mosque next door announcing 5 times that there is no God except Allah. And butchering animals on Eid.

In Saudi Arabia, if a non Muslim enters Mecca / Medina, he will get beheaded.

So, why should our holy land be desecrated ?

Wednesday, 29 September 2010

Mosque at Shree Ram Janma Bhoomi

There was a posting on a Social Media Site.

There is no need for temples or churches or mosques, no need for complicated philosophy. God is everywhere! Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness and love. So whatever be the Ayodhya verdict just Chill my friends



I liked the response:
Removing a symbol of slavery should be welcomed by all. Why is vote bank politics being played on this.

Why should anyone who believes in our Nation, oppose the proposal of shifting the "mosque" commemorating a fanatic, blood thirsty marauder called Babar to outside Ayodhya ji - an area that is sacred to millions of people.

For the English speaking elite, "Ram" is a mythological character. For the millions who did not study in convents, "Lord Ram" is a matter of belief and veneration - not logic.

It is well known that more than 30, 000 temples were destroyed and mosques built in their place - to humiliate and rub the salt in the wounds of the defeated Hindus.

We have asked for just 3 temples - in Ayodhya ji - Lord Ram's temple, in Mathura ji - Lord Krishna's birthplace and Lord Shiv in Kashi ji (Varanasi).

If you have ever visited any of these you will realize that the temples were destroyed precisely to enslave our minds, to demonstrate the victory of Islam over Hindus.

After 1947, Muslims who chose to stay in India - instead of going to Pakistan, did with an understanding of respecting Hindu opinion. They should be progressive in correcting the wrongs committed by their forefathers and creating a strong relationship of respect and reconciliation with the majority community.

It is in line with what the German govt. did for Jews and similar to the Catholic Church's apology for the Inquisitions and ethnic cleansing of the Incas, Aztecs, and other indigenous people.

Only people who believe that these "mosques" - essentially symbols of slavery should be allowed to stay - are those who do not believe in a life of respect and dignity for the Hindus in their own country.

Friday, 20 February 2009

Lord Rama was born in BC 5114, astronomical calculations show it

About the Quest
Since ancient times, Hindus have had a tradition of using astronomical references to date events. The approach has the brilliance of not being dependent upon any manmade calender - which any ways has an arbitrary start date and every other event is in relation to that - 2009 AD means 2009 years after birth of Christ, so you need to know when Christ was born to map out an event.

Astronomical references or telling the location of planets and stars (nakshatra) is a simpler and precise way to uniquely date an event without any other reference. It is also fairly unique as the entire combination of planets and stars to occur in the same configuration is very rare or almost impossible.

Bal Gangadhar Tilak (or Lokmanya Tilak as he was popularly called) attempted the same in 1920s. Bhandarkar Institute in Pune have tried to date events in Mahabharata using the same approach.

With advent of powerful softwares that allow rapid multiple calculations - it is now possible to recreate night sky as it looked from a location at a certain point in past / future / current.

So, the author mentioned below used these tools to fit in astronomical events described in the Valmiki Ramayan to reach the date of birth of Lord Ram.

About the Author:
Mr. Pushkar Bhatnagar is an engineer by training and education and an IRS (Indian Revenue Services) officer by profession. He pursues astronomy as a hobby.

He had been hospitalised and was on deathbed after detection of cancer in his kidney. A friend gave him the hindi translation of Valmiki Ramayan (original is in Sanskrit). He always had been a bhakta of Lord Ram.

One thing led to another and culminated in this book.


Book Details:



Sage Valmiki, a contemporary of Lord Ram, mentioned in his magnum opus Ramayana that when Lord Ram was born, the sun was located in Aries,Saturn was in libra, Jupiter and the moon were shining in Cancer, Venus was seen in Pisces while Mars was in Capricorn. Moreover, It was the ninth day of the increasing phase of the moon in the lunar month of Chaitra.

The two illustrations on the cover display, with the help of a powerful software, that these unique astral conditions were present in the sky on January 10,5114 BC.

This path-breaking book employs the scientific advancement of the West to prove the antiquity of the East. Not only the date of birth, the book also discovers the dates of a number of events in the life of Lord Ram by using the Planetarium software.


Table of Contents:

Preface.

1. Introduction.
2. The basic concepts of observational astronomy.
3. A brief description of software used for dating.
4. The relevance of Valmiki Ramayana in astronomical dating.
5. The astronomical dating of the Ramayana: the date of birth of Lord Ram.
6. The astronomical dating of the Ramayana: the date of exile of Lord Ram.
7. The calendar during the times of the Ramayana: the calendar of today.
8. The astronomical dating of the Ramayana: the date of battle between Lord Ram and Khar - Dushan.
9. The date of the killing of Bali: a confirmation by a second solar eclipse.
10. The date of Hanuman ji meeting Sita Mata : confirmation by a Lunar eclipse.
11. The astronomical dating of Ramayana: other dates of the fourteenth year of Lord Ram's exile.
12. Archaeological evidence to support the findings.
13. The dating of Ramayana: Mahabharata War and the beginning of Kali Yuga.
14. Astronomical dating: explanation of some related issues.

Glossary.


How to Purchase the Book

In India, you can purchase the book from flipkart.com which I used (Incidentally run by two IIT D alumni who earlier worked with Amazon.com)

The book link for purchasing from flipkart.com is here:

Click here to purchase "Dating the era of Lord Ram".


Another source you could purchase from internationally is VedicBooks.net, I have never dealt with them, being based in India, so am clueless about their service.

The book link for purchasing from VedicBooks.net is here:

Click here to Purchase "Dating the era of Lord Ram"


Other Links

Read an account written by the author and his mail id by clicking here.